shut_up_hippies has to be one of the most misguided and misinformed groups I've come across. Seriously. Most of the arguments I've seen they have taken right off of someone's t-shirt. I'm especially fond of "If you're reading this in English, thank a soldier and a Republican President." Whatever. I thought it was funny at first, but some of them have started outright arguments with me and now I'm irritated and annoyed.